Question: "What are some popular illustrations of the Holy Trinity?" Verses that speak about His throne with the father. Mark 13.32 “But of that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone.”, Jesus didn’t know something => Jesus was not omniscient. Thank You for sharing the history/development of our understanding of Isaiah 9:6 it is very enlightening. It’s a solution—a magnificent, marvelous, glorious, solution. . In Revelation chapter 5, John said he saw the LAMB sitting on the THRONE of God. If I have missed or misunderstood Kel’s arguments, anyone who reads… In this view, the Son and the Spirit are both one with God and in no way separated from Him. Total lie. Yes, of course you would. Your email address will not be published. “” THE GENTELS!!!!!!!! The Trinity is the ground of God’s love. My Guess: When the antichrist comes claiming to be Jesus, Satan wants him to be viewed as God so that people will have no problem when his actions depart from biblical teaching, also giving him “cart blanche” to dictate new rules or “new scripture”. 1 John 4:12 No man hath seen God at any time. Subscribe to the Restitutio email list and we'll send you this e-book for free! One cannot sit at the right hand of oneself. The belief is that he is Gods Son not God. I mean these are just a few, I could go forever but you are right Chris it is IMPOSSIBLE for Yashua to be Yahwey. ), 553: Constantinople II (how can we interpret the dual natures w/o dividing Christ into two), 681: Constantinople III (did Christ have one or two wills? God gave his son everything. Well believing that Jesus is God is what makes you die in your sins because you don’t believe he is Gods Son. Genesis records that Elohim SPOKE everything into existence. 22:8,9, you will discover this angel is a Prophet. Do the math. St. John 20:24 But Thomas, one of the twelve, called Didymus, was not with them when Jesus came. The comments by pastor Hunter illustrate the great difficulty we have in explaining the correct role/position of Jesus. A veritable revolution in Jesus scholarship in the last century occurred when scholars began taking seriously that Jesus and his earliest followers were Jewish, living in a particular socio-political Sitz im Leben, which is typically designated as second temple Judaism. The idea is not only ridiculous, but it ruins the whole story of redemption. (S3) The Holy Spirit is God. Do you really want to call God a liar? but I thought there was only one person subsisting in two natures!? him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know(God did all the works through Jesus) His Son!! It gets very confusing saying Yeshua is God, or part of an impossible to comprehend God-concept, yet He prays to God repeatedly throughout scripture. Jesus is not the God of the old testament he is the SON of the GOD of the old testament. I just knew it was Christian and as soon as I heard Holy Trinity I got up and walked out not because I’m so full of wisdom and I’m a smart guy because I’m not and when people claim that I am , I say no no I’m not it is the HOLY SPIRIT , given me the discernment !! LK 2:52 And Jesus increased in wisdom and stature, and in favour with God and man. 1:1, with Rev. The Holy Spirit is God 4. It can get really confusing and it may come as a shock to you but the first century believers did not hold to this doctrine at all. What’s your point? You identify the father and Jesus as two different beings that, along with the Holy Spirit, are in accordance and act as one. God and his son. I mean that is so ridiculous it wouldnt even merit a response. There is one God and he is not 3 in 1 oil. THINK!!!! 1 John 5:5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God? His Son…..NOT GOD. (Col 1:2). This scripture plainly says what the proper witness is that you are supposed to give. Jesus is another being. .it was all given back to him. Major Problems with the Trinity. Acts 9:20 And straightway he preached Christ in the synagogues, that he is the Son of God. These definitions express three crucial truths: (1) the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are distinct Persons, (2) each Person is fully God, (3) there is only one God.The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are distinct Persons. NOT. What did that Old testament Prophet say in Rev. This doctrine teaches that God, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit are all the same entity, until they aren’t. Here I’ll stick with what I know the most about, the text of the New Testament. Here are three big ones: God is the father of Israel (Jer 31:19, Is 64:8, et. then when you go to verse 14.”And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, full of grace and truth; we have beheld his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father.” The son of God is the word? I just fixed the link to the longer pdf file up above explaining how the Trinity is actually impossible. St. John 20:27 Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing. God cannot die so the scripture saying Jesus died for our sins is a lie. Thus, the Son is the “Son of God,” and the Spirit is the “Spirit of God.” The Son is born from the Father, and the Spirit proceeds from the Father—both in the same timeless and eternal action of the Father’s own being. The Father is not the Son 5. AMEN ! Therefore I want you to think about something. Do you see the problem arising? (Uhhhh wouldnt you think it would be a bad thing to call God a liar saying it wasnt really his son but it was him. Joh 5:18  For this reason therefore the Jews were seeking all the more to kill Him, because He not only was breaking the Sabbath, but also was calling God His own Father, making Himself equal with God. It’s very understandable how this doctrine came about. I’ll try to cut it short. JN 14:24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father’s which sent me. God cannot die. Luke 12:10? those in authority, and of the learned about such things. I understand. “And now, Father, glorify me in your own presence with the glory that I had with you before the world existed.” He existed and had glory before creation…? Is it that you don’t understand what I’m saying….. or what you think I’m saying… This dual creator theme starts to leak into all sorts of issues, with these used to be Monotheistic Christians wanting answers to this new dilemma. The doctrine of the Trinity means that there is one God who eternally exists as three distinct Persons — the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Lets get even more witnesses. Verses im sure you’ve heard and can explain for me. Ok now you go to the other scriptures and study from there on that basic truth. That doesn’t mean He can’t use agents for this task. 5. St. John 20:19 Then the same day at evening, being the first day of the week, when the doors were shut where the disciples were assembled for fear of the Jews, came Jesus and stood in the midst, and saith unto them, Peace be unto you. Here are some others. What happens if you die in your sins? Believe me NO ONE HAS EVER STUCK THEIR HAND INSIDE OF THE ALMIGHTY GOD. Did you have a chance to read the first few lines and last few lines of each letter of Paul? Yeah, Marc, almost every page of the Gospels makes the Trinity impossible. I had already failed to do that and gave up on it. The One True God is Identified in the Bible as a singular "I", "Me", "He", "Him" and "Who." Can you give me your definition for of of these please? I prefer the first answer but He wasn’t fully glorified until after He was resurrected. Sorry guys its time for a little Harsh!! Who is he condemning? We use cookies to ensure that we give you the best experience on our website. You don’t believe so you don’t have a mediator because you don’t believe that Jesus is Gods only begotten son you think there is only one person God alone and he played all three roles which there is no scripture saying this anywhere in the bible its a fable of man not Gods Word. Again, the smallest iota of logic dictates that a son is not his own father. You are going to have difficulty convincing me that there is not a Trinity. Here is the Brenton rendering of the LXX for Isaiah 9:6: How is that not simple. If God died for our sins it is a false Gospel because the whole thing is a lie because God cannot die. Now, this is where I will offer up my “opinion” based on my own studies. The Problem of the Trinity The Mystery The concept of the Trinity was first formulated by St. Augustine in the Nicene Creed in seven statements: 1. The Problem of the Trinity. But insofar as it posits “three persons” (Father, Son and Holy Spirit), who are “one God,” it appears as inconsistent as the claim that 1+1+1=1. I can tell you one thing its not going to be good! My point is that to understand the new testament we need to view it through the lens of the old testament. Sentence 2: The Father isn’t the Son In light of the recent Trinity debate between Dale Tuggy and Michael Brown, I thought it would be apropos to post this video I did a while back. 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